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Nation of Gardeners

Here we are. A nation of Gardeners and yet we have about 4 masgazines left that cover gardening in the newsagents.We spend thousands of pounds a year on plants at garden centres, most bought on impulse.We have some of the most wonderful private gardens in the world. And on tv we have one weekly gardening programme and a few special programmes that seem mostly these days to be about the presenters and not the plants.Some chefs are getting in on the act and showing us how to grow our own vegetables and fruit.Large retailers are also producing small grow your own salads for the windowsill in little trays and pots.All of this does encourage us to try and grow something , and is especially poignant in these economic times.However, everyone wants a quick fix. The cooking programmes will always score above the gardening ones as people these days don't have any patience. Let's face it. U have to be patient to be a gardener or interested in it.The other thing is that most of us come to gardening later in life.And with an ever increasing aged poulation, there will be many more people interested in gardening in the next 10 - 20 years.All that being said, gardening is still way down the scale in terms of interest.On a sunny day, I get more clicks on my website and the garden centres are busy.But how do we get more people interested for longer periods of time.The trend for garden designers has been more minimalist in the past few years with an increased amount of hard landscaping being used.Strong architectural lines have replaced the Cottage Garden look of the eighties just as chinz went out in Interior Design.We are now moving full circle again.We are going back to our roots.To the earth. Paved front gardens are out due to flooding and houses being built on flood planes.We are all being encouraged to follow the 'Good Life' even if we live in a high rise block of flats.We are being told we can grow anything in a pot,especially something edible.But we still have the problem of getting people involved in their gardens.Enjoying them and wanting to enjoy them.Getting the youth interesed too. Domestic Science has disappeared from our schools and so has gardening.So what is the answer? Do we bring gardening back into the curriculum? Answers on a postcard please!

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    I do worry about the magazines and newspapers of the UK, I can't see them making a comeback as the cost of producing and distributing them is too great.

    An area I think you will see more and more development within the media is at a really local level, the majority of which will be online, but I do think many of the journalist who have been laid off will begin to cover very local events, people and news.

    You can already get an idea of how these local news sites are beginning to take shape by browsing some of them as featured on the map here:

    http://www.countervalue.com/

    Whilst you won't be getting massive numbers of visitors, because they are working at the local level you will get a tightly focussed readership that is keen to stay up to date with what's happening on their doorstep.
  • As an outsider it did seem to me that gardening programs changed to reflect the number of people who had bought their homes under the right to buy and had more to do with increasing the value of the home rather than what was good for the garden.

    I do agree with you totaly that we have become too fixated on quick fixes, often without thinking of the long term consequences. Hence a love by some for hard landscaping to avoid the chores of gardening.

    The changes within schools seemed to have begun at the same time (okay I'm trying to avoid ranting against my most favourite to hate politician) But just as homes were suddenly being given away, so were our schools sport fields, kitchens, gardens etc. Lessons learned from 2 world wars and were principal in guiding the setting up of public schooling forgotten and thrown out inside a generation.

    In London, I don't know if it is because my attitude has been changing or just that I have more time to notice but it seems more and more estates are fencing off their grassed areas to keep people off them, play areas for children being confined to 'concrete and metal' (I put that in quotes as most are not concrete any more).

    Increasingly we are wrapping children up in cotton wool. In a recent discussion about seating in our developing community garden I lost patience with our monitoring officer when he objected to metal seating on grounds of 'safety' 'what happens if a child hits his head on the seat?' I'm sometimes amazed that swings are still a feature of playgrounds.

    And this is part of the problem, I have seen parents become horrified seeing their kids play with a little earth, but in the recent snow were more than happy to see them rolling around in it, throwing it at each other, completely forgetting that under all this lovely white stuff is dog mess left behind by inconsiderate dog owners.

    Personally I think there would be far more value bringing gardening and other such things out in the community rather than stuck in the classroom. It is relevant to all ages and groups, and could do a lot more for breaking down the barriers between sections of our communities than merely making it an abstract lesson in school.
  • Yes , there is a need to bring into the local communities that is true but it has to start with education as most things do. I still think it would be valuable to have it back in the curriculum. We have lost so many trades over the years.Valuable ones which used to be passed down the generations but are no longer.

    As you rightly say too we wrap our children in cotton wool and with health and safety gone mad, we will soon not be able to go outside for fear of catching a deadly disease.

    Everyday you open the paper and the very food you were told not to eat the day before is now good for you.But tomorrow, guess what-another study will find it's bad for you again!

    Committees and I have never got on. I know in London there are many square garden commitees,full of 'do gooders' who love to put their two pennies in but won't lift a finger.Again, dealing with these sorts of problems is a nightmare for the contractor.

    Let's hope for some better weather that will get people out and about appreciating what we have to offer in this beautiful country.
    dgeorgea said:
    As an outsider it did seem to me that gardening programs changed to reflect the number of people who had bought their homes under the right to buy and had more to do with increasing the value of the home rather than what was good for the garden.

    I do agree with you totaly that we have become too fixated on quick fixes, often without thinking of the long term consequences. Hence a love by some for hard landscaping to avoid the chores of gardening.

    The changes within schools seemed to have begun at the same time (okay I'm trying to avoid ranting against my most favourite to hate politician) But just as homes were suddenly being given away, so were our schools sport fields, kitchens, gardens etc. Lessons learned from 2 world wars and were principal in guiding the setting up of public schooling forgotten and thrown out inside a generation.

    In London, I don't know if it is because my attitude has been changing or just that I have more time to notice but it seems more and more estates are fencing off their grassed areas to keep people off them, play areas for children being confined to 'concrete and metal' (I put that in quotes as most are not concrete any more).

    Increasingly we are wrapping children up in cotton wool. In a recent discussion about seating in our developing community garden I lost patience with our monitoring officer when he objected to metal seating on grounds of 'safety' 'what happens if a child hits his head on the seat?' I'm sometimes amazed that swings are still a feature of playgrounds.

    And this is part of the problem, I have seen parents become horrified seeing their kids play with a little earth, but in the recent snow were more than happy to see them rolling around in it, throwing it at each other, completely forgetting that under all this lovely white stuff is dog mess left behind by inconsiderate dog owners.

    Personally I think there would be far more value bringing gardening and other such things out in the community rather than stuck in the classroom. It is relevant to all ages and groups, and could do a lot more for breaking down the barriers between sections of our communities than merely making it an abstract lesson in school.
  • All makes sense .I could spend hours chatting too but I have an excuse,lying in bed with flu bug!

    As you rightly point out , RHS in a bit of a quandry. I have a love hate relationship with them having done 6 shows now. Wish I too had got my act together for Chelsea this year. They have turned into a money making machine. Hampton Court is like a giant car boot sale.The gardening element is almost second to the sales pitches of wellies and large spouting rhinos.

    Garden centres have to diversify to keep their market but they have also been doing that for years but I think their biggest mistake is stocking terrible rubbish alongside the chairs and tables etc. They, being the large ones operated by groups buy vast quantities of the same thing and perhaps they need to change their buyers to appeal to a different audience. You can tell that the merchandise doesn't sell by the amount that is always on sale or discounted.

    You also make a good point on the ethnic mix of cultures and what impact this has on gardening in this country. I am sorry I hadn't read your previous bit on TV Gardening.There isn't as you say much enthusiasm for the current presenter. Not quite going to get us all going I fear.In fact i don't even watch the programme now at all.

    Have fun outside-wish the weather would get a bit warmer but then it's warm where I am , just feel lousy.
    cite>Jonathan Wild said:
    Hi Claudia,

    Don't despair!

    I can't see a major change in the numbers of 'hard core' gardeners out there - just look at the ever-growing waiting lists for Allotments!

    What has obviously changed is the 'leisure spending element' - people who would normally want to improve their lifestyle and splash out on a new garden are now hunkering down to ride out the recession.

    If they can 'improve' by filling the garden cheaply with cottage garden flowers and 'not get a man in' then they will do it.

    Of course this paucity of cash in the markets doesn't impact on everyone and the top end spenders are still out there - but clearly can be more methodical with their choices of designer or contractor.

    The media will, I'm sure, start to improve their coverage of 'gardening' - but I think it will be more 'grow your own' programming - with an emphasis on recycling a tea bag! The media coverage at the moment is dire - a point I made in a previous discussion under TV Gardening - who appointed the nice Mr Toby Buckland as the nations Head Gardener?!

    I also think the RHS is floundering at the moment - they are desperate to hit 'targets' for membership and seem equally desperate as to which direction they should be heading. Do they stick with the 'pure' gardeners who want to know about particular plant groups or growing techniques, or do they concentrate on their latest crusade - school gardening??!!

    The RHS is also being hit hard by reduced revenues (mainly via sponsorship) of their flagship events - the Flower Shows. Chelsea, despite what the RHS keep telling us - will be a low-key affair this year. For exhibitors though it should be a medal 'fest' - wish I'd got my act together for this year - medals for attendance no doubt?!

    We will always be a nation of gardeners - but I think the retailers are going to be struggling, and we will no doubt see more independant garden centres facing closure, unless they can diversify and provide the public with something more than just plants. I see one enterprising owner is now offering the first hairdressing concession!!

    The other interesting aspect - which no one seems to have cottoned on to, is the simple fact that as a nation we have 'evolved' into a multi-ethnic society which culturally has new requirements and emphasis. (You never see anything about this important social phenomena at the RHS!)
    The world that once watched Percy Thrower calmly smoking his sweet shag in his Altex is not the one we are living in now!!!!!

    Anyway - back to work........I could spend hours chatting!
  • The UK has seemed to have lost it's way of late, at a recent National Trust conference the lack of Head Gardeners is becoming a serious issue compounded by many school teachers using the 'horticultural' route for the less able pupils - (considering the real science and of course nomenclature needed this is not quite a good route). Other countries, particularly former communist states such as the Czech Republic have revised and approached land industry to whole new levels. And of course the movement towards organic and sustainable pratices has not been wholly embraced by most of the big boy NGO's and Quango's.

    Now's the time for a new magazine definately and a site like this clearly helps to lead the way in a rennaissance.
  • Thank you for your kind wishes J. Could you take my dog out too!! Poor thing keeps looking at me with big sorry eyes and I keep sneezing loudly making him jump.
    Anyway,glad you are taking advantage of the good weather.
    Yes the poppy picture aer same one-Patty's Plum.Goes yucky once flowered!x
    Jonathan Wild said:
    Sorry to hear you're not well Claudia - hope you've got someone to keep the intraveneous Beechams going?!!

    Its a shame 'cos where I am - Southwell, Nottinghamshire, the sun is beeming down and my dogs keep telling me to stop tapping away on this keyboard and take them out!!

    So, whilst I'd love to stay, I'll send you lots of e-wishes to hope you feel a bit better soon....X

    PS. We appear to have matching Oriental Poppies - did you notice the piccie I posted?!

    claudia de yong said:
    All makes sense .I could spend hours chatting too but I have an excuse,lying in bed with flu bug!

    As you rightly point out , RHS in a bit of a quandry. I have a love hate relationship with them having done 6 shows now. Wish I too had got my act together for Chelsea this year. They have turned into a money making machine. Hampton Court is like a giant car boot sale.The gardening element is almost second to the sales pitches of wellies and large spouting rhinos.

    Garden centres have to diversify to keep their market but they have also been doing that for years but I think their biggest mistake is stocking terrible rubbish alongside the chairs and tables etc. They, being the large ones operated by groups buy vast quantities of the same thing and perhaps they need to change their buyers to appeal to a different audience. You can tell that the merchandise doesn't sell by the amount that is always on sale or discounted.

    You also make a good point on the ethnic mix of cultures and what impact this has on gardening in this country. I am sorry I hadn't read your previous bit on TV Gardening.There isn't as you say much enthusiasm for the current presenter. Not quite going to get us all going I fear.In fact i don't even watch the programme now at all.

    Have fun outside-wish the weather would get a bit warmer but then it's warm where I am , just feel lousy.
    cite>Jonathan Wild said:
    Hi Claudia,

    Don't despair!

    I can't see a major change in the numbers of 'hard core' gardeners out there - just look at the ever-growing waiting lists for Allotments!

    What has obviously changed is the 'leisure spending element' - people who would normally want to improve their lifestyle and splash out on a new garden are now hunkering down to ride out the recession.

    If they can 'improve' by filling the garden cheaply with cottage garden flowers and 'not get a man in' then they will do it.

    Of course this paucity of cash in the markets doesn't impact on everyone and the top end spenders are still out there - but clearly can be more methodical with their choices of designer or contractor.

    The media will, I'm sure, start to improve their coverage of 'gardening' - but I think it will be more 'grow your own' programming - with an emphasis on recycling a tea bag! The media coverage at the moment is dire - a point I made in a previous discussion under TV Gardening - who appointed the nice Mr Toby Buckland as the nations Head Gardener?!

    I also think the RHS is floundering at the moment - they are desperate to hit 'targets' for membership and seem equally desperate as to which direction they should be heading. Do they stick with the 'pure' gardeners who want to know about particular plant groups or growing techniques, or do they concentrate on their latest crusade - school gardening??!!

    The RHS is also being hit hard by reduced revenues (mainly via sponsorship) of their flagship events - the Flower Shows. Chelsea, despite what the RHS keep telling us - will be a low-key affair this year. For exhibitors though it should be a medal 'fest' - wish I'd got my act together for this year - medals for attendance no doubt?!

    We will always be a nation of gardeners - but I think the retailers are going to be struggling, and we will no doubt see more independant garden centres facing closure, unless they can diversify and provide the public with something more than just plants. I see one enterprising owner is now offering the first hairdressing concession!!

    The other interesting aspect - which no one seems to have cottoned on to, is the simple fact that as a nation we have 'evolved' into a multi-ethnic society which culturally has new requirements and emphasis. (You never see anything about this important social phenomena at the RHS!)
    The world that once watched Percy Thrower calmly smoking his sweet shag in his Altex is not the one we are living in now!!!!!

    Anyway - back to work........I could spend hours chatting!
  • Hi Claudia,

    I think we are probably singing from the song book, with slightly different tunes.

    As wonderful as the work being done in many schools today on a personal note I would doubt if they are the best place to start start teaching gardening. There is so much pressure for reaching targets that in general a culture has arisen whereby things move too quickly and they children are being pushed into the next thing without real understanding of what they have just learned.

    I don't disagree that it starts with education, but I am also very keen for children and young people to see education as being a life long experience and not something restricted to the school. My own daughter last year took three days of school, with their permission, to attend an adult training session on effective funding applications. But more recently I spent the whole night talking to a 19 year old girl who has been seriously considering suicide. A good deal of the time was spent talking about education and the difference between adult education and what it was like for her at school. Even down to sorting out where she would like to be in 10 years time and helping her to sort out a part time course so she can start taking control of her life.

    Research has also shown that taking 'education' out of school and into the community can make a huge difference to how well young people do in school. It was found that children from more wealthy families were involved in more activities out of school with wider peer and adult interaction than those from deprived communities. In itself not a surprise, but the findings were that the young people from wealthier families understood that the authority of adults come from their expertise in a particular subject, something which transferred to their attitude towards teachers. IE the teachers authority comes from their expertise in their chosen subject. With children from deprived/poorer families authority was seen in terms of the person's position, rather than expertise. A stumbling block when many such young people have issues with authoritive figures, especially when they do not understand where that authority comes from.

    I'm not saying gardening shouldn't be introduced into schools, but I do think much more can be learned in a well organised program outside of school, and this in turn can also be more beneficial for children and young people.

    As for committees, as Chair of one you would not get any disagreement from me, they can be the most frustrating beasts going. I am often left feeling like I want to bang my head on a table. I thought we had settled on a rock garden that looked as natural as possible in the wrong area. At the last meeting though one member suddenly objected and now it looks like we will end up with some monolith that will just look out of place. And while I like that some are noticing features they like I hate that all they want to do is recreate these on the estate, rather than identifying what it is they like and to work with the profesionals to see how we can translate this to something unique for us.
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