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Quoting work.. help!!

Hi all, after been made redundent from a private estate i have decided to take the lep and go on my own. I have my spraying tickets PA1, PA2 and PA6aw, i also have chainsaw crosscut and felling and NVQ level 2 in horticulture. I ran a large private garden all year round to a very high standard so i do have a fair bit of gardening knowledge. I have been approached by a very well repected landscapecompany in my local area who are willing to sub contract me BUT I have to go quote a job in the morning with them as a 'test'... nervous!! I have always been employed so this is the side of the business im struggling with

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  • Hi Kyle

    Welcome to LJN (formally :->)!

    Andy's advice is good above: take a camera with you and, if you play it the way you should, you will come back with images and a commitment to, as Andy says, 'go away and email a quote within 24 hrs'. The pictures will help you considerably when bringing a quote together, and in these circumstances your fellow members will be able to help too :->

    When you're on site for the quote you'll obviously be busy communicating with Landscaping co and/or client - dialogue - but at the back of your mind you need to be assessing the following. It's certainly not an exhaustive list - I don't know the specific task(s) you're quoting for tomorrow, but nonetheless you should be quietly considering.......

    What is access like? Width, gradient, steps, distance to/from work area to materials/waste area, etc.

    What does the work involve? In your mind break it down and think - do I have the kit to complete the job profitably? Is it necessary to hire kit in? What obstacles might I face when I've started work (build in contingency to your quote if necessary).

    Is there the opportunity for further - perhaps regular - work at this particular client's property? Sometimes it is a gut instinct to present a quote for initial services based on the (good/qualified) assumption that if you perform well, you will be asked back. By that I mean you run a (slight) ''loss leader'' - you slightly underprice because you know when you have completed the first task the client will immediately ask you back based solely on your excellent abilities to manage outdoor spaces.

    Is the client vague? Question them, and at the back of your mind know the firm answers you need to hear to do a good job. If, at the end of the consultation, there is still vagueness despite your gentle approach to understanding their needs - consider adding extra contingency to your quote - or walk away politely.

    Oh gosh, there's plenty more of that thinking around, even while you're having dialogue with a potential client - and your Landscaping Co contact too ;-> Don't be phased by it, but also recognise you need to be doing multiple thought processes to be successfully profitable in your quote and/or decision to accept the opportunity of work thereafter.

    One final consideration for now: the landscaping co. How did they get to know you? I'd really benefit from strategic alliances such as this with lots of other quality outdoor space management providers but they can be like hen's teeth most of the time because a) I have high standards I want adhered too and b) the best usually have such arrangements in place already. You write you have been approached.....I have in the past and it turned out to be a can of worms. Good thinking and good dialogue during the consultation served me well!

    Cheers, Eugene

  • PRO
    Quotes depend entirely on the job, it's unfair to expect you to pick a price there and then if you need materials, however di fit is 'just' a maintenance job base it initially on an hourly rate but be pessimistic on the time if you think it will take three hours quote four, it is very easy to hand money back to a customer but it is bloody difficult to get extra out of a customer!

    If in doubt ask, if you can postpone a price (perfectly acceptable) do so and then stick it up here and we'll help as much as we can. But don't delay on getting back to your customer if you say they'll have it Monday make sure they do!

    Good luck.
  • PRO

    Adding to the above good advice;

    Stand back from the job, get an overall spec clear in your mind and commit to paper asap

    Do not rely on your memory from a site visit especially as you may well be under pressure.

    When away from site, break the 'job' down into sections, then break down into small quantifiable tasks.

    On a pad or PC, set up a simple chart/excel sheet and for every task, estimate as applicable;

    Labour
    Materials
    Hire Costs
    Sub contractor costs

    Then you sum across to give a sub total

    You can then build a price that is logical and importantly you can refer back to and understand any assumptions.

    If elements have to change it easier to go direct to the task and modify it.

    Good luck :-)

  • Thanks guys!! this is all really useful and i fully appreciate your time :) Ive had a good read into different quotes and i know my own worth. If i go see the job and say I hink this will take 3 days which i think the contractor is looking for,he txt me earlier and said "not to worry, I will make sure its ok" so i dont feel he is wanting to catch me out but just see i have the skill to perform certain tasks in a respectable time slot. I will ask to bring the quote away and share with you guys and see what you think. i feel its just a overgrown tidy up which should be an easier job to start with as far as pricing go's :)

  • And if 'all' i.e ''should be an easier job to start with'' it turns out to be, so be it.

    Just be careful out there!

    Kyle - subs to THE HUB are great VFM :->

    Cheers, Eugene

    kyle bott said:

    Thanks guys!! this is all really useful and i fully appreciate your time :) I will ask to bring the quote away and share with you guys and see what you think. i feel its just a overgrown tidy up which should be an easier job to start with as far as pricing go's :)

  • I will be careful and I will be online to hear your views and hear your feedback
    Thanks alot :)

  • Never come away not being 100% sure of what is required. Your client knows exactly what he/she wants and can start to ramble through the requirements at a rate of knots. Don't be concerned to ask for clarification. It's so easy to say, yea, yea, yea and when you start to put pen to paper, it's oh no, no, no !!!
  • PRO

    One thing is for sure, quoting takes time to perfect and if you get it wrong then dont be down hearted. Just treat it as a lesson learned and you will be more accurate the next time. Good luck

  • I always take photos(ask if it's alright to, but nobody's ever said no) to remind me of the job.
    I do not give a quote there and then,I just say I wil put it in writing. Gives you time to think about it.
    I listen to customer, asking a few questions if needed, then write them down and repeat what the customer wants.
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