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    That should save you a penny or two

  • what's the price difference on red to normal ?

  • On my diesel receipts from 3/11/2011 at my local Morrisons Supermarket in Pinchbeck, the difference is thus:

    Diesel @ 138.9 pence per litre

    Gas Oil (Red diesel) @ 87.9 pence per litre

    (15.36 litres of red diesel was £13.50)

    (Yes, you can still buy red diesel off the pumps round here - strictly for off road use only - the supermarket put it in as there are some many local hauliers use the red diesel for their refrigerated artic trailers!)

     

    As regards the use of red diesel in machinery - basically if you never go on the road with it (in which case it must have proper lighting, tax disc, insurance etc anyway), then yes you are fine.

    The following extract is from a discussion on the Pitchcare forum:

    (for some reason, it won't 'autolink' the weblinks - they are a copy and paste job)

    Bournemouth Council have been prosecuted for illegal use of red diesel before so this case study may be helpful.

    http://www.apse.org.uk/briefings/09/09-34%20Fuel%20Duty.pdf

    From the above case study:

    2. Mowing machines
    The mowing machine must be a complete vehicle, whether pedestrian-operated or ‘ride-on’. The machinery must be built into the vehicle for it to qualify under this category.
    A tractor with mowing equipment attached is not a purpose-built mower. It does not, therefore, qualify in the mowing machine category.

    Full details can be found at: www.hmrc.gov.uk/briefs/excise-duty/brief4208.htm
    3. Tractors
    To qualify as an excepted vehicle the tractor must be an agricultural tractor designed and constructed primarily for use otherwise than on roads. It must be used on public roads solely for:
    (a) purposes relating to agriculture, horticulture or forestry,
    (b) cutting verges bordering public roads, or
    (c) cutting hedges or trees bordering public roads or bordering verges which border public roads.
    3
    Point 3 above is the important part for the industry in trying to work out what we can and cannot do. It is clearly defined that tractors can be used by the agricultural and amenity sector on rebated fuel to cut verges and hedges bordering public roads. It is less clear what is meant by ‘purposes relating to agriculture, horticulture and forestry’.
    This is the main ‘grey area’ under which many dubious activities have slipped in recent years, such as use of tractors to manage diversification projects on farms, haulage and leisure industries etc.
    HMRC were determined to get rid of the confusion and make the law clear to ourselves and the enforcement officers. As a result it was agreed a ‘Memorandum of Agreement’ would be produced to define ‘agriculture, horticulture and forestry’.
    This is where problems really started. Throughout negotiations HMRC’s view remained clear that this definition did not (and never had) include landscaping and the maintenance of recreational facilities, including beaches.
    Full definitions can be found at: www.naac.co.uk/Docs/MoA_FINAL_2008.pdf

     



  • Adam Pilgrim said:

    On my diesel receipts from 3/11/2011 at my local Morrisons Supermarket in Pinchbeck, the difference is thus:

    Diesel @ 138.9 pence per litre

    Gas Oil (Red diesel) @ 87.9 pence per litre

    (15.36 litres of red diesel was £13.50)

    (Yes, you can still buy red diesel off the pumps round here - strictly for off road use only - the supermarket put it in as there are some many local hauliers use the red diesel for their refrigerated artic trailers!)

     

    As regards the use of red diesel in machinery - basically if you never go on the road with it (in which case it must have proper lighting, tax disc, insurance etc anyway), then yes you are fine.

    The following extract is from a discussion on the Pitchcare forum:

    (for some reason, it won't 'autolink' the weblinks - they are a copy and paste job)

    Bournemouth Council have been prosecuted for illegal use of red diesel before so this case study may be helpful.

    http://www.apse.org.uk/briefings/09/09-34%20Fuel%20Duty.pdf

    From the above case study:

    2. Mowing machines
    The mowing machine must be a complete vehicle, whether pedestrian-operated or ‘ride-on’. The machinery must be built into the vehicle for it to qualify under this category.
    A tractor with mowing equipment attached is not a purpose-built mower. It does not, therefore, qualify in the mowing machine category.

    Full details can be found at: www.hmrc.gov.uk/briefs/excise-duty/brief4208.htm
    3. Tractors
    To qualify as an excepted vehicle the tractor must be an agricultural tractor designed and constructed primarily for use otherwise than on roads. It must be used on public roads solely for:
    (a) purposes relating to agriculture, horticulture or forestry,
    (b) cutting verges bordering public roads, or
    (c) cutting hedges or trees bordering public roads or bordering verges which border public roads.
    3
    Point 3 above is the important part for the industry in trying to work out what we can and cannot do. It is clearly defined that tractors can be used by the agricultural and amenity sector on rebated fuel to cut verges and hedges bordering public roads. It is less clear what is meant by ‘purposes relating to agriculture, horticulture and forestry’.
    This is the main ‘grey area’ under which many dubious activities have slipped in recent years, such as use of tractors to manage diversification projects on farms, haulage and leisure industries etc.
    HMRC were determined to get rid of the confusion and make the law clear to ourselves and the enforcement officers. As a result it was agreed a ‘Memorandum of Agreement’ would be produced to define ‘agriculture, horticulture and forestry’.
    This is where problems really started. Throughout negotiations HMRC’s view remained clear that this definition did not (and never had) include landscaping and the maintenance of recreational facilities, including beaches.
    Full definitions can be found at: www.naac.co.uk/Docs/MoA_FINAL_2008.pdf

     

  • Only 7 years late on the post :-)

    But if anyone uses red diesel, we have come up with a product that is working really well for many different industries but expecially those that use a smaller quantity - FuelBox is a product which has 20L of red diesel combined with our unique 10Plus additive that improves combustion and prevents contamination with using Jerry Cans. 

    • For £30 for 20l you might as well pop down the pumps with a jerry can mate- it would work out cheaper. I can't understand why anyone would buy your product. What a waste of plastic and cardboard.

      Additives make no odds- I could fill up with BP Ultimate or add a cetane improver if it would make a shits worth of difference in a three cylinder diesel!

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