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Pesticide ban in Brighton

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/17596269.four-major-parties-support-ban-on-toxic-pesticides-in-brighton/

How is this legal or even possible for a council to ban something that is sold in garden centres and used on farms and food production?

It's so frustrating that the hysteria around gylphostate is being used as a political band wagon. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water with little or no understanding of the issues. 

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  • PRO

    Reading between the lines, it would seem they intend to ban its use in public spaces maintained by Councile operatives. Do they have sufficient powers to remove from sale or ban its use in private gardens or commercial sites - not sure they do ?

    If they get elected, it will interesting to see how they propose to control weeds in public spaces and many will look to what happened in Bristol over previous years.

    • PRO

      Well one of those 4 parties will be elected so I will watch with interest. What happened in Bristol? Personally I wouldn't mind a bit of rewilding in our urban areas but I doubt it will go down well with the older generation. A lot of our pavements are very old flagstone style so a lot of gaps for weeds to grow in and potential for tree seeds to start lifting slabs creating trip hazards. Seeing as the maintenance is already in house with the council and they are already seriously underfunded with cuts to the services already I will be interested in their alternative plan. Currently they employ the disgusting practice of spraying weed killer on lawn edges and around lamp posts etc to avoid strimming which I find ugly and shirt sighted as weeds just end up growing like mad in the bare earth left behind. This is what the council did to a piece of grass which I maintain near a council area of grass.

      • PRO

        That Helen is pretty standard commercial maintenance practice to give a spray out margin near walls - many of my commercial sites are done exactly the same, walls, fence lines and around objects with glyp and a residual herbicide - also the man hole cover shown is raised above soil level, so spraying around it saves mower damage. Its certainly not the worst bit of 'spray out' I have seen I will be honest.

        • PRO

          It's crazy. How is orange grass for 3 to 4 weeks, then bare earth for a couple of weeks then a shed load of tall weeds in it seeding everywhere better than going round with a strimmer or if that's not possible just a longer fringe of grass left? 

  • I've asked Josie Cohen of PAN if she'd like to comment to LJN, as PAN could do more to publicise reasonable and practical organic alternatives to gardeners and allotmenteers.

    One person's hysteria is another person's reasonable anxiety!

    • PRO

      Tim -- this is a good idea -- mainly because a great deal of 'organic' practices currently used by the general public are counter productive and will in fact do a great deal of damage to the whole organic / non pesticide movement ! 

  • PRO

    I think this has been mis-reported. The actual facts seem to be (after a little digging) is that council is going to discontinue using the chemicals themselves in the amenity environment.

    Key phrase below:

    Council leader Daniel Yates, of Labour, said: “Protecting our ecosystems and environment isn’t simply just about removing rubbish and enhancing landscape – it is also about ensuring our green spaces and public places are maintained in a sustainable manner.”

    This seems to indicate its a council led policy.....

    This was trialled here a few years ago here by the council along with vastly reduced ameneity grass cutting and didn't go down well!

  • PRO

    I think it's Brilliant, reduction in the use of pesticides and herbicides has to start somewhere. They are all a threat to environmental health. 

    My personal opinion goes a step further..glyphosate should be banned for all use except in agriculture while alternative ways of food production are found to get us out of this mess we have made of our planet.

    • PRO

      Good points Jim but really its agriculture that should be the first to have it removed -- im less concerned about the minor use in the public/amenity sector compared to the horrendous over use in food production. 

      Im suprised its taken Brighton so long TBH -- Bristol and Brighton are probably the two largest 'alterantive' cities in the UK or even europe

      • PRO

        Dan - not going to argue with you - but I know a lot of arable farmers and they will all tell you the same thing - current crop yields - for the price that buyers (ie supermarkets/wheat millers) will pay - cannot be sustained without the use of glyphosate (or equivalent). Any arable farmer will tell you that blackgrass has become a MASSIVE issue in wheat and the ONLY way to effectively control it is with repeat spraying off before cultivating and drilling. Its also the only way to 'finish' a wheat crop at the same time to enable modern harvesting practices - fields round here run into hndreds of acres each and combines will run day and night if conditions are right, so they need everything to be 'ready to go' at the same point.

         

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