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  RICHARD BICKLER July 13, 2010 at 9:25pm

  Hi Michael, it is a 25kg drum consisting of a sand ( i think) and an epoxy resin which when mixed together with 2 units of water goes to a slurry which is worked into the joints allowed to dry and brush off.
  
  My bad experience with geofix many years ago prompted me to never use again as there will always be issues when using chamfered edged paving such as Indian sandstone where the joints are bigger at the base and narrow towards the top, a crust forms and crumbles, thats my issues with geo-fix..this stuff so far took 2 men just over 2 hours to mix and work to a clean finish....were as usual hand pointing would take 2 good men a long day especially with all the setts and intricate work involved ....
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  RICHARD BICKLER July 13, 2010 at 9:59pm

  various threads on ljn, 25kg £ 60.00 ish plus delivery/vat and any tools you need, will post my thoughts tomorrow after 12 hours curing
  
  Michael Fitzgerald said:

  sounds interesting how did you find out about this stuff and how much is it per 25kg drum ?
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  Big Dig Groundworks July 13, 2010 at 10:37pm

  I used it for the first time 2 months ago on indian stone and am really impressed with it. It set hard as rock.
  
  You can use it in drizzle and rain as long as it isnt heavy as you need to wet the slabs before pouring it on anyway.
  I would well recommend gtfk from NCC.
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  Nick Donaghey @ Garden Gurus July 14, 2010 at 8:01am

  Hi Richard,
  
  Does is simply sweep off after a couple of hours?
  
  I've been thinking of using a product like this but I'm terrified it's going to stain the paving! How does it cope with riven sandstone?
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  RICHARD BICKLER July 14, 2010 at 8:43am

  Hi Nick, we just used it on indian sandstone, we soaked the surface and then brushed off, off to check it out today will let you know how I get on.............
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  RICHARD BICKLER July 14, 2010 at 9:01am

  I was a grout virgin up till yesterday, we bought a variable speed paddle mixing drill to help, all that was needed was to empty the contents into mixing bucket along with 2 measured units of water and mixed for 5 mins, then just emptied the contents over the area and worked it in well with a squeegy, then after 20-25 mins started to brush off the residue after an hour another light bristled brush was used to clean, no mess, no fuss, so far so good, will see it again in a couple of hours...
  
  Ace Garden Services - John said:

  Hi Richard,
  Thanks for posting this discussion, I have always wondered about using this product. Do you just use a gun to pump it in.
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  Dave Sewell July 14, 2010 at 12:34pm

  We have also trialed this product recently on over 100 sq metres of new riven york stone (yes, we had to be brave!) The product is worked into the joints as a slurry and the only initial issue we had was with a sheen appearing on the stone. calls to Dave MacKay, who fronts NCC, reassured us that the sheen would deteriorate under UV light and given that we've had a good spell of weather the sheen has now gone (within 6 weeks). Practice suggests that the wetter you get the paving before you apply the slurry the less sheen you'll get which also answers one question about applying it in the rain!
  Overall we reduced the cost of pointing by about 25% on the trial project which is a good result. Initial observations on the durability of the joints are positive - it's rock hard!
  The main issues you'll have are deciding how much to buy!
  NCC are a stand-up business to deal with. They sent their tech guy down to train my guys and they donated the first drum free. Hopefully as sales of this product start to gain momentum they won't lose sight of their excellent customer service.
  Dave
  www.the-gardenmakers.co.uk
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  Phil Voice July 14, 2010 at 12:43pm

  It's great to see so much positive feedback. As Instarmac kindly advertised on LJN, it's nice to see them getting positive reviews.
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  Nick Donaghey @ Garden Gurus July 14, 2010 at 1:32pm

  Thanks for the info and reviews guys- good to be able to buy with confidence
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  RICHARD BICKLER July 14, 2010 at 6:49pm

  we used a strip of flexible polycarbonate to ensure the edges did'nt spill, however yet to try it on risers and steps i am sure some heavy duty duck tape may work??? photo from today looks great and client really happy, so much so I got hug and thank you before they went away!!!!!!!!!! priceless
  
  ROWLY HILL said:

  Hi Richard. I like the sound of this product but one practical question. That is how did you deal with or are there any issues with the "free" edges. If the compound is applied as a slurry and therefore able to run did you need to board the free edges to prevent slump and reduced finished pointing levels at the edge?