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  Jason Felstead February 11, 2011 at 5:19pm

  I totally agree, i worked as a tree surgeon for 8 years before amlgamating with my garden maintenance jobs and it annoys me that people go on a short course for say basic chainsaw use and then call themselves tree surgeons, i did my c&g in arbor as well as the rfs and nd in arbor, but that dosnt count for experience, what i cant understand is if the limb he was cutiing heavy, then one he shouldnt be pushing it and two it should have been roped or rigged.

   
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  N. F. Trees & Gardens February 11, 2011 at 6:02pm

  To be honest, it's hard to say what really happened as the media are notoriously ignorant when it comes to reporting on tree work/landscaping. The article says he was trying to remove a large branch when it sprang back on the industrial saw, what the heck does industrial saw mean??? Was he using a 200T or a ground saw? Accidents happen, it's a dangerous job. Good work positioning reduces the risk, but doesn't eliminate it. Was he using a top handle one-handed? Who knows, we all do it though. Speaking as one of those people who's done a short course and got his tickets and calls himself a tree surgeon, I know the risks I take, and I know what I'm capable of and what my pieces of paper from the NPTC mean in the real world, but what should I call myself? Thank you for calling Neil Frost, inexperienced tree surgeon, for all your arboricultural needs!

   

  My condolences to his family and friends. Stay safe guys.                                  
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  Jason Felstead February 11, 2011 at 6:12pm

  It all comes with experience, all trees react differently, different weights etc, then theres compression as well, As Colin mentioned the saw might have been trapped and he might have tried to push the limb at the same time as trying to freen the saw probably revving it at the same time, could have been a number of things, appologies Neal, what i was trying to get at is the youngsters and cowboys, they get there tickets and then think that they know it all, i have had trainees look at me as a climber and think that climbing trees with a chainsaw is really cool and in fact it can be ball breaking sometimes.
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  Bespoke Lawncare February 11, 2011 at 6:22pm

  RIP Adam

  The man had been working for his employer for a year as a tree surgeon, it does not say he had only been qualified for one year, for all we know he might have been a tree surgeon for a few years.

  I am not a tree surgeon nor wish too be one, so can someone tell me is there a charted progression you follow with time and experience ( you do not get a HGV licence till you have a car licence) or do you just get on with the job and learn from the more experienced people within your company.
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  Jason Felstead February 11, 2011 at 6:26pm

  Its more on the job, i learnt alot working with very experienced tree surgeons, the there is the arboricultural association that you can apply to join, they will come out and see how you work, the quality as well as H & S, there is also the ISA the international society of arboriculture where you can join and progress and become certified as an ISA arborist.
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  Ryan @RNWilliamsGardenServices February 11, 2011 at 7:13pm

  RIP Adam. Condolences to his family. Let's all be careful
  
  Gaynor Witchard said:

  Let's be careful out there people.
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  N. F. Trees & Gardens February 11, 2011 at 9:20pm

  No need to apologise Jason, you were speaking from a lot of experience in the industry, and you're right, a lot of people do come out of short courses and think they know it all, and are quickly brought down to earth when the see the real skill and hard graft that goes into being a professional arborist. I've worked as a subby for some real pro's that make it look easy, it just inspires me to work hard and get to where they are.
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  Lawncare-4u.co.uk February 11, 2011 at 9:48pm

  very very sad . 

  another loss .   the only and one main thing apart from having the certs and some general experience , 

  is :   taking your time ,  roping of course & not doing anything you are not confident about.

   

  unfortunately its in the top ten most dangerous jobs in the world ,  people die every month i guess doing it .

  and people moan at paying £40 - £50 an hr .

   

  isn't that £300 worth saving your your life ?    or £150 to employ a professional to cut for you ?
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  Lawncare-4u.co.uk February 11, 2011 at 9:52pm

  of course you should be trained in 'Ariel rescue' and the 'groundsman'   

  and always have someone watching you with a mobile and grid reference / large -wound dressing.

   

  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2153563/Father-helpless-as-t...

  http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/8786305.Corfe_Mullen_tree_sur...

   
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  Chris Auld February 11, 2011 at 11:10pm

  Musn't have been wearing a harness.
  
  colin said:

  seems strange he fell 20ft aswell though