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Planning permission is required as a last resort, there are options available to the contractor, dependant on the gradiant, the belt that lies below the FFL, size, location and surroundings.
Unfortunatly it is the likes of us who suffer, all that we have learnt regarding the traditional, preperation and installation of any driveway has been thrown out of the window. IE, Installing any key kerbs to the perimeter must be installed seperate, no weight at all on the sub base, baffles MUST be installed (sperate to the sub-base) with any gradiants.
No Terram to be installed what so ever between sub grade and base, leaving a huge weed problem for later, Maximum of 2 passes with a compactor on the new sub-base.
The paving can only be laid 1 way, no flexability for curves or patterns, no sealants allowed. Maintainance is very high, weeds, power washing to ensure no blockages which is a pain as you will need to top up the voids, no diy works to be undertaken on the drive where particals can fall into the voids (carpentry, topping up planters with top soil)
you will need a rubber matted wacker for final passing, hired or bought, more costs!!
The overall effect is unknown, with no terram between sub-grade and sub-base, only 2 passes on the sub-base, NO passes on the upper laying aggregate, its only a matter of time before the contractor receives the phone call form their client stating the drive has sunk.
I understand that Government wont replace the overloaded SW system, but surely passing the buck on to the installer is not the solution.
There are acting bodies for the LA driving around looking for contractors who still insist on tapping into the SW system, should they be caught then the £1000 penalty lies with the house holder, who will have to lift and replace to the new legislation spec.
I have priced and installed the Priora product, it is costly all round and labour intensive, personally the finished result does not float my boat at all, because of the limitations with laying.
Good luck.
Were going to need it in this feild.
Kerry
The drive at my parents house is too steep for permeable paving and as it all falls to the road it is impossible to channel it onto a soil area and there is no room for a saokaway so the only way would be to get planning permission.
They dont need it doing it is just an example and I was just wondering if anyone has had to quote on any jobs like that and if the client went ahead with getting planning permission.
I know the councils around my area are adhering to the new regulations.
Planning is NOT needed with a soakaway, planning is only required when the only option available is to discharge any surface water onto council property, drive way too small to install a soakaway, or the falls are too steep to install a soakaway. Other options are, soft landscaping, permeable paving, permeable tarmac, gravel, grassguard.
LA are policing such issues, its still early days, its only a matter of time before we all hear of fines and surface relaying. With the penalties directed at the home owner.
I'll think you 'll find that the massive increase you speak about regarding Marshalls is infact slightly exagerated:
Tegula traditional 3 size £15.00 + vat sqm
Tegula Priora traditional 3 size £17.50 + vat sqm
The fact is, the huge increase is indeed the aggregates used, 20mm and 6mm washed. Labour prices have also risen to accomodate the trial hole that must be excavated, (500x500x500mm) and filled with water. 24 hours later , weather permitting, return to excavation to check that the level has dropped 2/3rd within a 24 hour period.
More waste away, etc etc, i'll stop here!
There are many issues regarding this legislation, we are not trying to mislead in any manner.
I for one hopes this law will work positively for all involved
Also permeable paving wont work on a steep fall either as the water just runs off before it has chance to filter through.
As to soakaways needing pp from the way i understand the regs it is pp is only needed if the water is not going back into the ground with in the boundaries of the site.
http://www.pavingexpert.com/faq_pavingFrontGardens.htm
This is the link to paving expert where he tries to explain the regs for everyone to understand.
But as Stuart says I think the only way to go is to put something in your T & C's about the client getting the pp required.
New debates
I wonder how long it will be before the side and rear, will be affected?
Another good site is: http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/planningandbuilding/pdf/pav...
Should you ever view a drive and the property is pre 1920, do not touch, walk away. Permeable paving and no dpc dont mix
As i stated before good luck