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I would like to restore the conversation that we have previously had in respect of starting a professional association through this site.

We have already discovered a template through various discussions of how to share information and knowledge but I have always had aspirations of bolting on the tools that are needed for each member to profit from advice from professionals such as accountants and lawyers.

I would like to re-run the discussion again with a view of exploring how we can initiate an association, run by members for members for the benefit of clients and the landscape industry as a whole.

I believe that an association can be run on-line.

I would not anticipate bolting out of the blocks quickly but start by thrashing out a workable framework.

In the first instance, could you please indicate if you think the idea is workable and if you would be prepared to pay an annual fee?

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  • The one reason i have not joined any association is the fee.
  • PRO
    Thanks Martin

    That is understandable. If a fee was to be charged, I would anticipate it being low - to cover expenses and site administration for example.

    I would much prefer to have a sponsor with the site being free for everyone and making up the rest by selling advertising.

    I do believe that the site is being successful by being simple in its current format but if there are any suggestions on what might make it better then I would be delighted to hear from anyone who has ideas.
  • PRO
    Hi Mark

    I think the message we can put across is that it is not that necessary for business to pay huge sums of money just to tell a potential client that they are good at what they do.

    The best vetting any prospective client can do is ask to see the last job. It is the biggest and best example of workmanship available at the time.

    During my time in the APL we were not inspected once over the five years since the initial assessment when we joined.

    Any business is always in a state of flux with personnel turnover and changes in policy.

    My initial thought is that self certification is the most honourable and beneficial to a businesses customers.
  • One of the major points of joining a professional organisation is that all members are up to a standard. This is usually achived by vetting. The SGD and LI have strict standards for entrance. The APL and BALI have continuous vetting procedures. I won't comment on you experience with the APL, but I know for BALI we have to submit new references for vetting every 3 years.
    The danger is of ending up like The Federation of Master Builders, which almost any tradesman can get into. This just de-values the whole point of an organisation. I think this would need some major thought to make it work.

    It would be good to see some guidelines re charges for services. The SGD have a sliding scale fee structure on thier website for the public to see. Most SGD members use this fee structure which helps everyone get a fare price.

    Another item which should be mandatory for membership (imo) is the requirement to have appropriate insurance. This would also weed (forgive the pun) out the less professional.

    For me the jury is still our regarding a new organisation, as this is running on similar lines to another post. However i'm happy to add new ideas.
  • PRO
    Perhaps we should be thinking along the lines of 'alternative' rather than 'in place of'.

    I cannot disagree that vetting is essential to the process or promoting good companies or individuals but I do feel that the customer is the better judge of whether the workmanship and professionalism of a business is right for them.
  • The only need is for a national register to ensure to our future customers can check that we are insured for public liability , £2,000,000 ! if you have this certificate you are un-likely to be a cowboy ?
    apl and bali just want your money _ you can be a professional in your line of work only !! _ i.e just gravel or turf ! great idea, but a con for £300-500 - NO thanks ................
  • PRO
    I am getting the message that this site should remain free and I am fine with that. After all, that is what I promised and that is what it shall remain. I don't wish to be seen humming one tune while playing another one on the fiddle.

    First and foremost we need to maintain a freedom of information which is essential to the site's ongoing success and I know from the feedback that most members are getting good benefits from each others help.
  • Would a donate link not be better, most forums i use have this and it seems to work.
  • PRO
    Possibly Martin but I would like people to get a return on any money that they might spend. This is one of the reasons I have added the affiliate links and adverts.

    If anyone buys a tool, machine or materials through any of the links then this site receives a commission.
  • I have no problem with paying if I saw value in it. I am on the lookout for an association of design led professionals in the landscaping field. Perhaps a teired membership would help the public recognise the importance of good design? I have seen many completed jobs that cost the client £15,000+ and if they had just employed either a qualified garden designer or landscape architect, for a few hundred more their job would have been hugely more beautiful. Lets face it, many many landscapers do not a scooby about beauty and design (and most do not realise it either). That is the norm out there, perhaps 80% of the landscape contractors in the Yellow Pages. Its a nightmare for the public, whose projects are more often than not a missed opportunity.

    There is such a huge range of quality out there of landscapers, even among the legitimate companies who have insurance and pay their taxes. What is produced mostly is mediocre to appallingly designed work built badly or built well, and there needs to be a distinction between design led landscaping from the work produced by those landscapers who have no design qualifications ad little talent. Yes they can built paths and patios and walls, and put in nice plants but they havnt a clue on how to put it all together.

    I would like to see a professional landscape association that either offers a membership tier to design led companies or a new one set up just for this niche of high quality design orientated companies (which should be the norm) and I think that this will make the rest of the landscapers try harder and pay more
    attention to good design. It will also educate the public to raise their expectations!
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