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Health and safety

i think that this question/statement is extremely important.i currently have HAVS (hand and arm vibration syndrome), i am on Nifidipine tablets 3 times a day for a month. i am awaiting blood sample results.i get blotches/raised/swollen areas on both hands due to bad circulation , when holding cold things or in wet /cold water.id like to raise awareness that ALL PETROL MACHINERY tools . contribute towards this. : strimmers, hedge-cutters, blower/vacs, chainsaws, pole pruners, scrub-cutters etc. -i must stress that i have for the last 4 yrs used only the Best expensive Stihl machines brand new and it has Not prevented it.im hoping to 'heal myself' and from christmas will be taking 3 months off work - No tools !!id like all new starters to be aware about the ' personal HEALTH Issues' gardening maintenance can create. the importance of ear defenders ,anti-vibe gloves and hard-hats/ googles & face protectors..............Please use them from the start and dont suffer like me after 7 yrs of ignorance. the best £90 you will ever spend !!regarding this i also Do not have any health insurance / life insurance etc as GARDENERS RATES do not allow for this contingency . i would like phil / l-juice to lobby for a minimum wage for people using these petrol vibrating health destroying tools. ie £15 per/hour minimum........so when you are 45, DEAF and HAVE CRIPPLED HANDS and cant work you at least have enough to pay bills and eat.sorry to be so strong about this and i do not intend to offend Anyone, these tools are fantastic if used occassionally for odd days/hrs and no-harm would be done. if anyone can contribute / testify to these facts i think it would help the naive garden workers that are working for a pittance to understand the importance and dangers of these tools.........many thanks - Robin (www.gardens4u.co.uk)

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  • Excellent post Robin and one that everyone needs to be aware of.

    I really hope the three months off will help.
  • PRO
    Thanks for adding this Robin- it is an important issue - I have added - Hand and Arm Vibration Syndrome advice for landscapers and gardeners.
  • Hi Robin,

    Really sorry to hear about the problems you're having and thank-you for drawing it to people's attention. As someone who used to be a Health & Safety Officer for a City Council Landscaping Department I cannot stress strongly enough how important it is to use the correct protective equipment. This was brought home to me recently when I slipped whilst using a chain saw. Luckily for me I had protective gear on otherwise I'd be missing part of my leg.

    I wish you a full recovery.

    Donny
  • PRO
    I think that often we think of PPE as something that reduces the risk from immediate hazards. Thank you Robin for highlighting that we should think about the long term too and I wish you well and hope you make a full and speedy recovery.

    I always amazes me the lake of PPE that is sold in DIY stores with garden machinery: not only the obvious such as chainsaw protection, but ear defenders, visors and anti vibration gloves. How many domestic users of petrol mowers do you see wearing ear defenders ??

    Once again get well soon Robin and thanks for an excellent (and sobering) post.
  • Thanks for this post Robin, I hope you make a good recovery!
    I never thought the H&S & Risk Assessment I was taught at college would play such an important factor in this business!
    I've had an Op for Carpal Tunnel in my right wrist which is OK now but still get it in my left from time to time. When it was at its worst it was agony, waking me up at 5am every morning like my fingers were on fire.
    Try and keep your hands warm & dry at all times as you're less likely to suffer damage
    I wear safety/UV sunglasses every day in all weather even when weeding; how many times have you been focusing on something and then realised a twig is right next to your eye?
    Always wear ear defenders, steel toe caps, gloves - must have 10 different varieties for all tasks!
    Timberland make a good Anti Vibration glove but they are a pain to take off/put on.
    If you buy a new piece of kit you really should buy the safety gear needed to operate it, the only trouble is a full set of chainsaw protection can cost the same as the saw. Surely the manufacturers can lower these costs?
  • thanks for all the advice john and everyone , and support.

    pop-eye got it right !

    funny as ive been eating it every 2 weeks in london/restaurant when working there !! good stuff . celerys nice and has trace elements no other food has apparently.........i can feel a new thread commining on ;-)
  • Hi Rob sorry to hear about it,

    It is scary -had it about 5 years ago and just could not write anything normally.

    It heals but you will have to reduce work or as you said use better ppe- very nice of you to tell the rest- when I had it i fist did not know about this sindrom - I understood that it could be all this tools but only years later was reading about it.

    If you need a hand give me a buzz
  • Stu - there's a link to a video on a related thread somewhere - of a professor taking about anti-vibe gloves and how none of them (whilst being better than nothing) are any good - and the best thing you can do is to keep your hands warm and buy kit with good avs incorporated into it. Its up to us to sort out which these are. I know some chainsaws and brushcutters now have heated handles. I have a Husqvarna strimmer with good avs and the difference between that and my old Hayter one is amazing. (But I think we'd all agree, get the gloves anyway - I've only tried Proflex)
  • Robin,

    Very sorry to hear about your problems, I do hope that you will make a good and speedy recovery, I often think that at as a society we have got things a little wrong - when you think about it, just about everything that has been invented as a labour saving device to make work easier has pretty much been used as an economic weapon : I don't mean that in a "communist" sense, technology as a whole has enriched, in a material sense at least, most levels of society even if considerable indebtedness has been the result.

    It's actually bloody ironic - all of these brilliant tools and we end up over using them for reasons of cost saving and injuring ourselves - I've done it myself, smashing up concrete with a Kango 900 for 8 hours a day with just a pair of rigger gloves on and this before the days of energy absorbing handles - in the end used glass gloves, these being the days before specialist anti-vibe gloves.

    Funny how this comes back to the discussion about what a job should cost - the element of labour hours and number and cost of same - it goes full circle really.

    Technology enables us to make huge saving in labour hours in almost every aspect of running a business, from accountancy to digging a hole or trimming a hedge - perhaps we ought to direct these savings to looking after ourselves a bit better after the invulnerability of youth fades away and the aches and pains of older age start to appear!
  • cornwall landscaping said :

    Hi Robin,

    Sorry to hear of your problems with white tip. I went to the Royal Scottish School of Forestry and was shocked when one lecturer banged on about white finger ad nauseum - he stated that all chainsaw users should daily insist on all the washing up at home to be left for them to do - it stuck in my head and still religiously do the washing up every night, (much to wifes delight). I have never had any trouble at all with white tip. Also in Scotland GP's used to give out copper bracelets to all Foresters and Fishermen, again the evidence is somewhat slack but again most of my colleagues and myself there has never been any problems.

    I know that this is curable, (nettle tea is meant to help also), and hope it abates soon.

    Pip
    CSL
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