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We've been having a great discussion about the importance of formal qualifications over experience and vice versa.

As Chris Carr (BALI chairman) and Mark Gregory (APL chairman) are both members of LJN, I's like to open the debate up and determine, first hand, where both chairmen stand, both independently of their respective organisations and as current head of their respective organisations.

 

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    I understand this has become a bit of a hot topic today.

    So what's the answer?

  • Phil, I'm obviously missing something, please let me know why it's a "hot topic"?

    From my own point of view - I continually learn how to create & maintain gardens to be pleased with (there's a personal element there) and believe my clientele appreciate it. I'm waiting for someone to tell me otherwise!

    As for qualifications - wisdom comes with age. I have no formal qualifications but a growing wealth of knowledge which I passionately apply. I don't know everything (none of us do?) but applying new techniques learnt from WOM and the web sees me through.

    Formal qualifications for membership to 'associations' - I don't think so if the aptitude is there.

    Cheers, Eugene

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    POP goes the lid !!!!!!;-)
  • OOPS, please excuse my petulence ;-)
  • PRO
    Not aimed at you Eugene, youve not been a member of ljn for long. My comment refers to other debates of similar ilk. This is a very emotive subject amongst ljn members.By POPing the lid off a can of worms. Watch this space !!!.
  • Brian...I didn't imagine it was aimed at myself :-) Simply playing along....

    While appearing not to be a "member" of LJN for all that long you are in one fell swoop ignoring the absolute principles of LJN...."a free & open association".

    I've been a "LJN member" for much longer than my profile suggests. I'm obvously happy to also be a vocal member hereon. I hope usefully.

    I've appreciated your contributions to LJN & look forward to the future.

    Cheers, Eugene
  • Whilst I believe formal qualifications are valuable the standard of ones work is not determined by this. Having an industry qualification should not be recognised as a prerequisite to affiliation or membership. I have a degree and many certificates but this is not the determining factor in my business being at a required standard for membership of any industry association.

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    I agree Neil

    To the credit of Paul Baker - vice-chairman of the APL - who's come out and declared that he has never taken college course to earn his landscaping qualifications but picked them all up whilst working on the job.

    Landscape Juice has spent the last seven years pushing the diversity of skills held by the practitioner over certificates hanging on a wall....

    Neil Petrie BSc Landscape Mgt said:

    Whilst I believe formal qualifications are valuable the standard of ones work is not determined by this. Having an industry qualification should not be recognised as a prerequisite to affiliation or membership. I have a degree and many certificates but this is not the determining factor in my business being at a required standard for membership of any industry association.

  • Evening All,

    Just as a simple question, out of the time span for this reel, but without formal qualifications, can your companies be insured for the work you offer?

    Sorry, small clarification; I'm a landscape designer in France...

  • That depends - you can get insurance, but your cover will only be valid if you are a "competant person" which in my case means, Needing proof of training for use of a Chainsaw, an Pesticide spraying certificates - I did check this 2 years ago, no formal training was required for lawnmower use, strimmer or hedge trimmer - only that "due care and attention" be paid, and a risk assesment for use of each tool be kept and updated "regularly". I think most insurancve companies only enfoce qualifications where their is a legal need to - IE use of certain tools, ie chainsaws, and use of chemicals - IE PA1 and PA6 certificates.

    Gabrielle Arnould said:

    Evening All,

    Just as a simple question, out of the time span for this reel, but without formal qualifications, can your companies be insured for the work you offer?

    Sorry, small clarification; I'm a landscape designer in France...

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