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Residual Weedkiller/Sodium Chlorate

If you type in residual weedkiller in the LJN search the first ad to come up is for sodium chlorate being sold by Amazon.As this was banned in 2009 how are Amazon getting away with it?
Anyway what I was really after was a residual weedkiller that will deal with horse/mares tail.Have been using Kurtail but as a lot of the areas being treated are to be tarmac/flagged was after a residual to prevent regrowth(have seen horse/mares tail come through newly laid tarmac after a few weeks!)

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  • Iv'e just checked Amazon Paul and a company called Abel Group (Prop maintenance) are selling it. I can't see how this is allowed in EU countries post 2009.

    I think Oliver from Agri Chem, a supplier on the forum may suggest Whippet for your Mares Tail.

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    You were allowed to 'use up' any Sodium Chlorate until 2010, but that was 4 years ago!

    If you look very carefully at the container label on Amazon, it does not mention the constituents of the product, nor does the hazchem label conform either. I would say Amazon are not aware and if contacted, would insist product is withdrawn.....

  • Kurtail from progreen >>> advert on side of forum.

    Only product that specifically works.
  • Awesome... Backstreet illegal weedkiller on Amazon! I've not been in this industry that long but my father has and he say's that stuff was realy good! It says Abel Uk ltd but I can just make out the website address on the side of the picture but the website address is a cleaning company!? Something dodgey there!?
  • Hi Paul, and thanks for the recommendation Andy!

    You're right in what you say, a glufosinate ammonium based brand such as Whippet will do a very good job on mares/horse tail. The problem is however, on larger stands of marestail where there is a lot of root, you will only burn the top growth off and may need to do a few treatments.

    In terms of long lasting herbicides, your options are limited. Chikara or Paradise will not do anything to the marestail as it is listed as 'resistant' on the product label. That only really leaves a product called Kerb Flo. Kerb will give a good amount of control to marestail, but it is only suitable in certain situations. IT does not have hard surface approval so you could not use it there for fear of run off. It does however have Ornamental Plant Production, Amenity Vegetation, Forest Nursery & Hedgerow on the label.

    Typically you'd expect kerb to last for 3-4 months, and it should also do a good job on most grasses and other general weeds. You must use it in the cooler periods of the years though, when soil temperatures are below 8 degrees.

    This product is used widely in forestry in January in order to keep the weeds down for the first part of the spring.

    I hope this helps, and if you need anything else just give me a shout.

    Cheers

    Ollie,

    Ollie.wright@agrigem.co.uk

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    "Sodium chlorate is the active ingredient in a variety of commercial herbicides. Some trade names for products containing sodium chlorate include Atlacide, Defol, De-Fol-Ate, Drop-Leaf, Fall, Harvest-Aid, Kusatol, Leafex, and Tumbleaf. The compound may be used in combination with other herbicides such as atrazine, 2,4-D, bromacil, diuron, and sodium metaborate.

    "Sodium chlorate was an extensively used weedkiller within the EU, up until 2009 when it was withdrawn after a decision made under terms of EU Regulations. Its use as an herbicide outside the EU remains unaffected, as does its use in other non-herbicidal applications, such as in the production of chlorine dioxide biocides and for pulp and paper bleaching"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_chlorate

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    I'm going to look into this a bit deeper and hopefully get to speak to Amazon later today.

    There may be a legal loophole (but I don't think there can be).

    It's more than a touch ironic that Abel UK Ltd claim (on its website header) that it provides 'environmental solutions'.

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    Hi,

    I have spoken to the Chemical Regulation Directorate (CRD) on this one before.

    If the seller is specifically claiming it for sale as a product from Germany - it may still be available for use there (this is the loop hole on which the retailer can advertise it).  However if the product is banned/disapproved for use under certain situations in the UK & you use it in the UK when it is banned then 'you' as the user are breaking the law.

    In some instances products can be bought that are banned in one field of use but still available for use in another area & so are still advertised for sale.

    Amazon's view is that they don't need to legislate on these areas - but that the retailer has the responsibility - so ultimately it's buyer beware.

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    Ooops sorry I was thinking this product was retailed from Germany - silly me - more haste less speed!

    However the buyer beware comment still stands...

    Louise Boothman said:

    Hi,

    I have spoken to the Chemical Regulation Directorate (CRD) on this one before.

    If the seller is specifically claiming it for sale as a product from Germany - it may still be available for use there (this is the loop hole on which the retailer can advertise it).  However if the product is banned/disapproved for use under certain situations in the UK & you use it in the UK when it is banned then 'you' as the user are breaking the law.

    In some instances products can be bought that are banned in one field of use but still available for use in another area & so are still advertised for sale.

    Amazon's view is that they don't need to legislate on these areas - but that the retailer has the responsibility - so ultimately it's buyer beware.

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    Amazon faces fine for shipping corrosive drain cleaner
    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36528153

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