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Glyphosate deadlock - drags on

No decision reached in todays vote over the future of glyphosate. At least they managed to vote this time which is more than they managed in October. 28 countries were eligible to vote. 14 FOR, 9 AGAINST, 5 ABSTAINED. 

Last year Malta was the only country to vote against the re-licensing of the crucial active ingredient. A qualified majority is required with each country being allocated a number of votes depending on the size of their population so the abstentions will be crucial to the re-vote scheduled for the end of the month.

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          • PRO

            I would suggest even the science side of the argument would agree that its not a good thing for any 'potentially' harmful chemical to have entered the water supply / food chain / human body to the degree it has ? 

            Regardless of its proven / non proven harms - the issue is the miss use that has reached the point where glyphosate shows up in human urine in the general public ?

            • PRO
              Hi Dan if that's the study I'm thinking of it showed up in extremely low concentrations almost in the LOD. Also the study was done on under 100 people with the median age of 78 yrlears old who has a high bread intake. It was suggested that you could have checked for uranium, plutonium, mercury and organophosphorus compounds that had not been on the market for decades and had the same parts per billion levels. I was also mentioned about glyphosate or AMPA in rain. It wasn't mentioned that it was taken in an area that was near the delta of a river after some of the worst floods of agricultural land in a century and the evaporation of all of the run off from the land caused this anomaly. That said the whole of the Americas need to get Thier house in order as they are not as well versed as us over here in the systems and environmental impact of what they are doing and Argentina Brazil and the USA give us a bad name.
            • PRO
              If you avoid everything that is potentially harmful you might as well lock your front door and never leave.
              Your far more likely to die in a car crash or crossing the road than get cancer fro glyphosate.
              • PRO

                risk based rather than hazard based... its common sense

                • PRO
                  Are they not the same thing?
                  Common sense isn’t all that common though is it?!
                  • PRO

                    hazard based would be banning everything that can cause you harm no matter what the dilution, dose or amount. in theory vitamin c tablets or paracetamol would be banned under a pure hazard based approach.. risk based it taking into the likelihood of something happening using proper controls and sticking to label and or instructions ... and common sense.. and yeah there seems to be a reduction in the availability of that at the moment. Maybe Brexit will free some of it up to the uk population

          • PRO
            Many of the studies such as the seralini study that was retracted and then republished in a little known African journal that shut down 3 days later or the seneff study that was done by a retired computer scientist and again was ridiculed have been used constantly by the anti GMO, vaccination, agriculture brigade. The guy who commissioned the IARC study that went against every conclusion out there suddenly was being paid 160 k from the litigation team that are suing Monsanto in the states and one of the chief authors of the IARC report Aaron Blair actually witheld data from an even bigger study that found no link to glyphosate and cancer. We all know the big chemical companies where guilty of misleading and downright criminal acts against the environment historically but this just isn't the case any more. They are audited they are held to account and the dicamba issue in America right now shows this. They realised dicamba resistant crops but American farmers ignored the labels and sprayed it in hot calm conditions that caused volatilisation and damage to nearby crops. Bad practice is not the agriculture firms fault. As was mentioned earlier... The old ways will get you into trouble and better training and understanding of what you are using and it's degradation pathways and environmental impact has to be part of your treatment plan.
          • PRO
            My only niggle with glyphosate is that it attaches itself to minerals & metals and locks them into organic matter.
            In the middle of a each of our cells is a mineral.. does the 2% of glyphosate that doesn't get expelled within 24 hrs through our urinary tract bind to our cells. When a study was done on glyphosate treated grain and a control sheaf the micro nutrient content was lower . Was this because of the glyphosate doing what it was invented for... A chelator stripping things of metals and minerals ?
  • PRO
    I think it's use should certainly be evaluated in terms of soil health and that it is sometimes sprayed on wheat to help ripen it seems crazy? Does anyone know if that happens here?

    I can't see why careful use on hard landscape would be an issue though.

    The most recent hysterical comment I saw on gylphosate was that it is an antibiotic and is killing gut bacteria in bees causing them to starve!
    • PRO
      It’s sometimes used here to kill the wheat etc before harvest if it’s been a wet summer. To help it be harvested.
      That’s one of the concerns of a ban. As in crops rotting in fields as it’s too wet to harvest
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